Odd items in Chile census

With apologies to those who might have seen this earlier on my Twitter feed, at @guacamayan, here are a few oddities of the new Chile census figures.

Religion: Fewer than half the people 15-29 in the Bio Bio region declare themselves Roman Catholic. That is the only group in the country where Catholicism fails to make a majority. The bulk of those who aren’t Catholic are Protestant/Evangelical.

Migration: More than 60% of the immigrants from the Dominican Republic, Poland, the Philippines and Russia were female, while more than 60% of those from Pakistan, Iran, Morocco, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Haiti, Egypt, Lebanon, India and Portugal were male. I don’t see much of a pattern there, except that the Middle East-North Africa group tends to be quite male.

Labour force: 5 percent of the women in the workforce in Chile are domestics. Among women who never finished elementary school, that number is 30 percent, while 0.2 percent of those with doctorate degrees say they are domestics.

Adding: There are supposedly 76 people here in Santiago with Masters or PhD degrees working as maids, gardeners.

The institution of marriage, and of lying: There are 1,407 more men who say they are married & living with spouse than there are women who say the same. @SaheliDatta asked on Twitter whether there may be a lot of biandry in Chile.

One of every 175 men age 30-44 in Santiago lives with a same-sex partner, as does 1 of every 252 women in Atacama. These are the highest numbers in the country; in some regions almost no one said he or she lived with a same-sex partner.

First nations and their languages: Almost a third of Araucanía residents proclaim indigenous ancestry, mostly Mapuche. In Arica-Parinacota region, 29 percent say they are from indigenous ethnic groups, most of them Aymará. Despite this concentration, indigenous language ability is low. Chile has 114,523 Aymará but only 16,541 people who can converse in Aymará language. There are 1.5 million Mapuche, and only 129,267 speakers of Mapundungun. Twelve times more people — around 1.5 million — can hold a conversation in English. Of course, the big reaction here was “we need more English!” Which is true. But it wouldn’t hurt to protect the cultural identity, either.

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5 thoughts on “Odd items in Chile census

  1. Kepler

    I mentioned: firstly, Muslim women are not likely to be allow to migrate just like that. According to them, women must be accompanied by their male partners or relatives.

    The women of some nations are much more likely to marry (relatively) afluent men than those of other nations. That is the case of Slave nations. Bulgarians speak a Slavic language, but interestingly, they are genetically not so Slavic as even Slovenians or Croatians/Serbs or Czechs. Their type is thus not so exotic. There were many Russian women who married South Americans, the same with Polish, etc.

    Here in Europe I have met many more Domincan women than Dominican men, the same with Philipinas…many more Russian women than Russian men, LOTS, whereas there are more Pakistani males than Pakistani females alone. It is what I said: Russian women are quite popular here and they also want to improve their standar of living. Now with the oil boom, the trend is not so strong, but still…

    Here you will see in the last years that European females are more likely to marry African males than the other way around. It doesn’t have so much to do with status in these rich nations but with “exotic” etc. But that changes.

    In the US the gender difference with Russian immigrants is not so large because the way they immigrated tended to be very different: political, IT and other highly qualified, something that was less organised elsewhere.

    The Wayuu community in Venezuela seems to be using their language much more. Unfortunately, I couln’t convince them to start their own Wikipedia.

    I wish Venezuelans had acces to census data as Chileans do. The little we can see through annoying frames at the INE site are full of contradictions and give us doubts about the CNE records.

    1. sapitosetty Post author

      Small but important language issue here: the word is Slav, not Slave.

      Your blah blah about who is hotter and more exotic is really offensive and annoying. There is no country in the world with ugly women, and there is no inherent reason why one “look” is more attractive in one culture while another look is less so. Rather than starting out with “well it’s all about sex,” why not start out thinking about real push and pull factors?

      I asked a real live immigration sociologist who specializes in Afro-descendent migration, who said that the DR migrants are largely coming to be waitresses, domestics, and yes, some sex workers as well. The fewer women among the Haitians is because almost all the immigration is post-earthquake refugees, who have a whole different set of family commitments (push factors), and hence have clustered into construction and other male-dominated trades.

      1. Kepler

        Setty, and your pseudo-political correctness here is rather childish and has hardly anything to do with being anti-racist.

        First of all:
        What you or I (yes, I also agree on that) can think about beauty and ethnicity is one thing and does not – I repeat – does not have anything to do with how people behave. Most people from every single ethnic group have their preferences and these evolve through complex socioeconomic but also biological (immune system, etc) processes.

        A lot of migration is based on marriage or sex-related relations, if you didn’t know that you have been living in some strange bubble. The case of Haiti and, as I mentioned earlier, of many African countries, tend to be different, but not so in many other cases.

        You don’t have to study sociology to know that.

        What your sociologist said about Haiti sounds plausible but I didn’t mention Haiti here. I did mention the Dominican Republic and with good reason.

        You do not seem to know that in most countries legal migration was much much more difficult than in the US or Canada unless you had a certain qualification (and even so, for many years, it was hard in Europe) or through marriage-family ties.

        Since always when there was a marriage between two different groups, the woman tended to be the one going to live with the other group, all other things being equal.

        About Pakistanis and others of Islam faith:
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interfaith_marriage_in_Islam
        The consequences should be obvious to you.

        You don’t have to study sociology to know a bit of migration patterns and know sex is often linked to economics as well, even if you might faint in hearing this.

        But if you really want people with a degree on the subject, there is a lot of scientific literature on the subject. I don’t have anything to do with the domain, but from the top of my head I remembered this:
        http://www.amazon.de/Signale-Liebe-biologischen-Gesetze-Partnerschaft/dp/3423304987/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1365579172&sr=8-3&keywords=signale+der+liebe

        It is a book produced by anthropologists from the Max-Planck-Institut for Human Behaviour.

        I mentioned the case of Venezuelans in Norway until 2003: almost all of the hundred Venezuelans or so living there at that time were women married to Norwegian men (someone from the embassy told me, I checked it out later on). They didn’t go there as cleaning ladies or the like. They went as brides. Things changed with the PDVSA specialists -a lot of them males- going to Stavanger and bring their whole families.

        And sometimes a trend starts from one region and it takes its own dynamics. It is a fact a lot of middle-age+ German males decide to go to Thailand to “try their luck” and that’s why you see them with Thai women and not the other way around. And all things being equal, most Canadian white/black males and German white/black males will look for wives more in some regions than others, much more so than in Venezuela.

        There were dozens of thousands of males studying in the former Soviet Union and other countries of the East Block for a couple of decades, many more than females (for reasons that have to do more with politics). And they brought back lots of Slav women. There were fewer foreign female students and they usually were not into Russian guys. I have talked to many of them. There were issues. Alcoholism was one of them. The other was preferences for one or the other kind of courtship that might be more common with one or the other group.

        Slav women often tried to escape from poverty in the nineties through marriage. This is nothing new and not exclusive for any group but it happens more with a given group at a given time. That added to the unbalance. As I said: only afterwards, when people could migrate without gender-specific filter of marriage things became more even.
        Now visas for Russian software developers are easier to get here. Before the proportion of Russian women marrying Belgian or German males was much higher than the other way around.

        And finally: yes, some people might like them dark or eye-slanted or blue or red and if that shocks you: sorry, that’s life.
        I found it stupid but the proportion of dark-hair women dying their hair blond is much higher than that of blond girls doing the other way around. Stupid? Probably, but somehow that has to do with reaction to general behaviour patterns.

        You reminded me of a story by a Canadian comediant who was saying someone didn’t want to tell him if a friend, who happened to be black, had been there before. “I don’t know if the person who came was black or white, I don’t pay attention to that. He had a blue shirt, though”. “Yes, but was he black or white or yellow?” I don’t know, I am not racist.

  2. The Cat

    Hmmm…Setty, I didn’t see anywhere (and I read and re-read the entry several times) that Kepler implied in any way anything about “who is hotter”. And, I believe that “exotic” was used simply to indicate “very different looking from others amongst us”. I also didn’t read any implied mention about sex, other than speaking about the female sex in general. But, for sure, the term should’ve been Slav instead of Slave (BIG, important difference there).
    Cheers!

    1. sapitosetty Post author

      Dear Cat, you’re right about that, here. There was also a brief conversation in Twitter. But yes, I appreciate your words. Anyway I think the point is simply that sometimes we don’t know as much as we might think we know, and that attributing things to sex and love is a dangerous game.

      Take care, both

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